tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18772002.post878898301786808759..comments2023-12-06T19:00:46.094+00:00Comments on OSGi Blog: JCP, or What?Jürgen Alberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02725834158183495837noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18772002.post-43417982250170886562007-12-05T06:37:00.000+00:002007-12-05T06:37:00.000+00:00I think you should spend some time in the ECs (why...I think you should spend some time in the ECs (why are there 2?). The EC members I talk to indicate quite differently.Peter Krienshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11373850803487010328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18772002.post-51828671162149199852007-12-05T02:33:00.000+00:002007-12-05T02:33:00.000+00:00Sun isn't in the kind of control that can't be wor...Sun isn't in the kind of control that can't be worked around, there is just no one interested in pushing for changing the JCP on the ECs, which is entirely possible with the current setup.<BR/><BR/>All Sun can do with their legendary 'veto power' is to prevent Java-language and core Java platform JSRs from passing (A.5.9 of JCP 2.6). That kind of veto power has been irrelevant in the past 5 yearsUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13534659157970956316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18772002.post-59676345347739707312007-12-04T07:16:00.000+00:002007-12-04T07:16:00.000+00:00If you send me a mail on Peter.Kriens@osgi.org, I'...If you send me a mail on Peter.Kriens@osgi.org, I'll send you the template for the RFP. I'd love to see your input<BR/><BR/>However, I still think you do not understand how the JCP works. Sun is in full control at any time. There is no separate organization with bylaws and board. The ECs can provide inputs but the agenda is fully controlled by Sun. I am not sure how you can change this model, Peter Krienshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11373850803487010328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18772002.post-40267470891740141242007-12-03T17:01:00.000+00:002007-12-03T17:01:00.000+00:00You didn't screw up, no worries. I'm just comparin...You didn't screw up, no worries. I'm just comparing both institutions and pointing out how they both currently fail my 'requirements' for an open, community standards development body. Those requirements are rather simple:<BR/><BR/>* no walled garden<BR/> * no NDAs<BR/> * communication relating to the development of a standard between the expert group must be publicly viewable<BR/> * all Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13534659157970956316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18772002.post-3472779435817257872007-12-03T16:08:00.000+00:002007-12-03T16:08:00.000+00:00When I started out with the OSGi I thought very si...When I started out with the OSGi I thought very similar to you. We should be grateful for people those individuals that are willing to spent all that time writing specifications! However, over time I learned that the physical work is only one aspect of it.<BR/><BR/>For a specification to succeed it is paramount that key players are standing behind it. Nobody gives a rat's ass about a Peter KriensPeter Krienshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11373850803487010328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18772002.post-39948133471205670712007-12-03T13:25:00.000+00:002007-12-03T13:25:00.000+00:00As you point out, the ability to work together on ...As you point out, the ability to work together on specifications, implementations and corresponding test suites has many advantages for everyone. And of course, having modularity out of the box in Java 7 will decrease the pressure to ram APIs into the core platform, so there will be less of a pressing need to have JSRs bundled in the platform purely for deployment reasons. So I think we need the Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13534659157970956316noreply@blogger.com